Google and the official website turned up nothing. Thought I would ask here.

This may be a stupid question. But is there any body of scripture that’s specific to UU? I know it derives inspiration from multiple bodies of scripture but is there any text/holy book that only UUs claim?

I live in brazil, and here we don't have this type of community :(

The Current UUA President, Rev. Susan Frederick-Gray, described "Building a Beloved Community" as:

"A community that practices a radically inclusive and compassionate, anti-racist, anti-oppressive, multicultural, multigenerational faith within, and acts powerfully in partnership and solidarity for justice and liberation beyond."

This concept of Beloved Community predates UU (Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King cited it but it came before him as well) yet with the recent Article Two draft I have noticed this wording and references to Building a Beloved Community occuring across UU circles.

Has your congregation(s) discussed or explored what "Building a Beloved Community" means to them?

I appreciate your thoughts and responses 🙂

Hey!

My church is seeing a boom in young families, and I'm looking into what it takes to start a church daycare in Washington state.

I'm looking between the alternatives of the daycare being a separate entity and the church renting the space to the daycare, versus the daycare being part of the church and using the space for free.

Does anyone have advice and/or resources on how to to start a UU daycare?

Really appreciate it!

For those who weren't raised UU and are converts like I am what was it that attracted you to this faith tradition? In a nutshell I used to follow a very conservative, even fundamentalist, form of Catholicism until I started questioning Original Sin and other crucial doctrines so I tried to find another community and found my local congregation thanks to a suggestion I found on this site a few years ago so it was the "warm of community" as well as the responsible search for truth that brought me here.

At first I thought I wouldn't stay for long and tried other communities like the Episcopalians but as my personal theology started getting farther away from anything recognizable as Christian this one felt like the one I truly belonged to and becoming a Humanist in theology confirmed that and I feel pretty happy about it.

Just some general questions here. I align most closely with Christianity, but agree with some portions of Christian Universalism and some with Christian Unitarianism. I don't know what this makes me, I've been thinking maybe I should find which one I align more closely to and just agree to disagree on some points? I guess my only issue is that UU is a lot of religions and I am only a christian and that's confusing (not problematic) to me. Thank you!

hello! i recently found out about UU and joined this sub just barely. it's been great investigating so far.

i'm exmormon (PIMO, if you know what that means) and I've been burned really bad by trusting the religion i was raised in. UU seems so wonderful right now but I want to take my time to determine if this is what i really want to try or not.

i guess the main reason for my hesitance is the rampant sexual abuse, transphobia, and cult tactics in my local community. i don't want to experience that again without tools to cope and report it.

i'm very lost on where to find potential resources for this issue. i greatly appreciate the lgbt friendly tags for the local services but it's all a little overwhelming trying to get info on the more actionable of UU's safety tools.

if anyone has any advice or could offer guidance on how to better understand the formatting of the links in the about section that would be great! and thank you for your time.

I'm a member of the UU church in downtown Anaheim, California. Since COVID started, we've been meeting on Zoom. Now we're holding hybrid meetings, on Zoom or in person. Eventually, we're going back to meeting strictly in person, no firm date yet. You might be able to find a Zoom service, maybe ours.

Went to my first UU service today, it was the first time Id been inside a church of any kind in ~10 years. It was an emotional experience, but I really enjoyed it! The sermon was lovely, and had just enough spirituality/god mixed in with the more humanist/secualar philosophical notes, for me at least. Just wanted to share my experience. The one thing that gave me pause was I seemed to be one of the youngest people there, other than children (im in my late 20's). I was a little hopeful there would be a younger crowd, but I know religion of any kind is a tough sell nowadays.

I really need advice and please be brutally honest. I am relatively young, female, latina from a working class background in South America.

I dropped out of college once, I only completed a semester, and that was among Strikes and an abusive relationship (no one's business, I know). Even though after the Strike, I had some really nice grades, I never looked back and applied to other University, where I got my undergrad degree in Education (3.64 GPA)

My GPA isn't good, but for some reason people always believe in me. I'm a really big mess, and I have dipped my feet into several religions and ideologies. Some people say I am a good writer. In a very particular and random way, I've found American Transcendentalism, and then Early 19th Century New England Unitarianism, then Unitarian Universalism. That has been a huge part of my life, in a way. I have already translated a 1838 book -actually a transcribed lecture - by William Ellery Channing, which I consider to be my first "baby". I am -currently- somewhat familiar with the work of Earl Morse Wilbur, too.

I have made true and disinterested connections with important scholars in New England, I have presented at the Thoreau Society and I am a volunteer at a UUA program that deals with International Relations, Interfaith Relations and Diversity. I can't help but dream about HDS, but I think it is too late for me, because just when I found a way to channel my passion and start having a reason to make deliberate efforts, I realized I have this tarnished past to carry as a burden. It is sad, because I think I would be possibly an unexpected candidate, since there is NO UU tradition where I live. Oh, and I also work as a volunteer in my local community sharing what I've learned from Unitarian History books with people that don't speak English. I'm also a part of Liberal Faith Social Justice programs. My country has been through a lot regarding authoritarianism and fundamentalism, so we're trying to make a difference. I know I can apply to other schools, but right now I am mostly worried about HDS.

Even if I get another degree at home, and get stellar results, and then hypothetically almost ace the GRE, is it still impossible ?

I don't know if this applies to this sub, but LOST was a show that incorporated themes of religion/spirituality, free will, destiny, science, philosophy, synchronicities, mythology, demigods, elements of consciousness, quantum physics, magical elements, dreams/visions, it's own Source, and a whole lot more.

If anyone has any thoughts on it, feel free to post them.

A proposal to replace Article II of the UU Bylaws (which in turn will replace the Seven Principles and Six Sources) will be voted on by UU delegates to UU General Assembly in June. The agenda for Article II is outlined here.

...

EDIT:

The proposal of the Article II Study Commission is a significant rewrite of Article II in the UU Bylaws. It fact, it does replace both the Seven Principles and the Six Sources.

More information can be found on the Study Commission website. They are currently accepting feedback through an online form, until April 30.

The website with essays is: https://savethe7principles.wordpress.com/. (And to correct an assumption some people made, I had nothing to do with the creation of the website.)

I am an agnostic-atheist, black female in my mid-forties. I am poor, since I am an immigrant and a live-in maid. I basically have no social life. So I decided to attend a UU church since I was feeling down and needed to be uplifted. I attended a UU service this Sunday, it made me even more depressed! It was the most boring thing I have ever experienced! Not to mention, that other than some kid who got some scholarship, and one other person who looked to be in their late 20's or early 30's, I, a woman in my mid 40's, was the youngest person there.

Don't get me wrong, the operatic music was well performed, and the orchestra was very impressive. But it's 2023! I feel like this was the same music they were playing 50 years ago. The sermon was empty platitudes like you would hear from a politician looking for votes in an upscale white, suburb. Nothing of any substance. The sort of lib-speak that is void of humanity. I almost fell asleep and had to resort to doing my Duolingo French lessons on my phone.

As I looked around at these 70 and 80 yr olds, I just wondered where the UU church will be in a decade or 2. Or maybe it's just a social club for well to do aged boomers, and they don't care what happens when they're dead....Sad thing is, I'll probably go back next Sunday. But they certainly are not going to be attracting younger people with what they are doing now.

I am thinking of attending this year's GA, despite the high cost ... $500 per person. I am my congregation's delegate. However, if I'm reading the website right, it looks like all in person attendees will be required to mask indoors at all times. This is so atypical I find it almost hard to believe. No church in my area requires masks for all, doctors do not require masks, and I live in New England which was a pretty committed mask wearing area during the pandemic height.

Can anyone offer some insight?

Additional questions-- does the UUA board mask fully when they meet? Do all UUA staff always mask indoors?

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hey I've got a question. As a trans muslimah would U be accepted into the UU community?

I've known of UUism since my pagan teens, but I've never participated it it because I was scared and there wasn't a UU church in 50+ miles.

I still don't have a UU church in 50+ miles (AFAIK), but I have discovered the church of the larger fellowship. As a trans LGBT+ person, it's so hard to balance activism and anger and peace and refuge. I'm trying so hard to grow peace in myself but it's so difficult and so rewarding. I know anger sucks so much out of myself that could be used for better things, so anger isn't something I encourage or want in myself anymore. The CLF is helping me so much to make peace.

I have also loved how the CLF has challenged me. I'm trying to expand my listening skills and trying not to make quick, survival judgements on people. I have ASD, and eventually you become like you've been in war, you learn how to make a snap judgement on somebody because it could very well be life or death. But now I'm trying to heal from that, and I'm thinking of the thing in a recent CLF service - holy curiosity. I want and need to stop being so reactive, I want to really experience other people with real curiosity.

Can I call myself UU? Even though I haven't signed some book in a place I can't reasonably access?

I asked the new Google Artificial Intelligence named “Bard” about Unitarian Universalism and I love it’s response!

Bard Unitarian Universalism Description

“Unitarian Universalism is a religion that emphasizes freedom of thought, tolerance, and social justice. Unitarian Universalists believe that all people are created equal and that we are all responsible for making the world a better place. They are committed to exploring the meaning of life and to finding ways to live in harmony with one another and with the planet. Unitarian Universalism is a growing religion, and it is attracting people from all walks of life. If you are looking for a religion that is open and welcoming, that encourages you to think for yourself, and that is committed to making the world a better place, then Unitarian Universalism may be the right choice for you.”

I’m bisexual and genderqueer using They/them pronouns ———————————— Hello I just wanted to introduce myself to the group. Though my congregation is Christian (it’s a UUA/UCC community in Orleans, MA) and emphasizes UU values, my beliefs are still unequivocally Trinitarian and more traditional but I’m more than happy to attend worship at a UUA congregation if that’s what God is calling me to do. Officially, I’m a member of Cathedral of Hope in Houston and haven’t looked back. Each week, I worship with them and an Episcopal Church in Philadelphia (virtually of course) . Both churches have made me a better person and have shown that no matter what, we’re all God’s children. Thank you for having me and I look forward to engaging in thoughtful and respectful conversations with you! I don’t currently drive so physically attending any church is difficult.

Many UU churches in New England merged with UCC churches and I kind of love it. Knowing that two distinct associations of churches can seamlessly merge with each other is truly a work of God. Federated churches aren’t uncommon either but it seems that UUA/[insert denomination here] is uncommon. Many times it’s UCC/American Baptist or UCC/Presbyterian (rather expected), UCC/UMC/American Baptist (as is the case in Brookline, MA). Does anybody know any federated congregations that are associated with the UUA and another denomination? It can be any denomination but the congregation needs to have one membership (so I’m really asking about merged churches, federated churches don’t necessarily have to one entity, just a single building). Thanks! It fascinates me and brings me great joy seeing diverse traditions coming together.

Hello!

My question for UUs is about blending faiths. I feel like I see a lot of UUs who come together that each have their own single faith (or nonfaith) that they adhere to and they come together in unity. But I am wondering about people who try to blend faiths in as respectful a way as possible. Is this accepted in the UU? How common is it? Any personal experiences?

For myself, I was raised partially Catholic and Protestant. I do not truly believe in the supernatural aspects of the Bible anymore. But I still have such respect and admiration for the poetic nature of the Bible (which I feel I still find so much personal spiritual growth through) and the cultural traditions (e.g. Lent). However, I feel like I connect to nature-centered pagan beliefs. Additionally, I've found so much spiritual enlightenment from Buddhism.

So I'm wondering if UU is an accepting path for kind of "meshing" beliefs and traditions like this? Any insight would be helpful!

I'm in a low point in my life. I'm seeking to belong to a compassionate community. There's a UU church 4 miles away that I want to go to. I want to try to go to Sunday service, but I'm worried. I'm worried I'll be out of place somehow. I'm a 32 year old woman and I'll be going by myself. I recently escaped an abusive relationship. I'm very alone, and suffering from PTSD. I'm just scared that people won't be welcoming. I don't know. I'm going to try going.

By "k"

I don't like to think

About Pat Robertson going to hell.

That lets him off too easy.

I like to think about

Pat Robertson finding himself

In a heaven he never believed

Would exist.

Where Divine is reading in drag

To the children murdered at

Sandy Hook and Ulvalde.

While Edie Windsor

And Gertrude Stein drink coffee

In the breakfast nook

talking politics with Harvey Milk.

Where Matthew Shepard relaxes by

A stream, reading poetry to

A nameless young man whose family

Never claimed his body when he died

Of AIDS.

Where the music plays loudly

Welcoming dancers from the Pulse

And Club Q to the floor where they

Twirl and vogue with

All the murdered trans women of color

Whose names we never knew.

Where Jesus puts his arm around

Pat Robertson's shoulders and

Drapes them with a rainbow feather boa.

And, gesturing around him says

Come, meet my disciples.

Sorry for the oddly specific question, but I'm not sure where else to ask this - I've recently moved to Seattle and was excited to join the local UU contingent marching in the Pride parade, as I've done in the last few places I've lived. But looking at the websites of several nearby UU congregations, I'm not seeing anything about a UU presence at Pride here. I'm wondering if that's due to Pride coinciding with GA? Or if I'm just out of the loop, could someone please let me know how to get involved? Thanks!

A little over a year ago I felt a yearning to go back to church, having been raised Lutheran [ELCA] from infancy. I found my current U.U. church because they were holding services online due to concerns about COVID. I've been going to my new church in person as work permits (I work in retail). They still offer their services online for those who for whatever reason can't make it to church in person.

I just got done watching the General Assembly in Pittsburgh over YouTube.

I connect with the highest ideals of the U.U. church. I feel like I can be myself in a U.U. environment far more than I could in the church I was born/baptized and raised in.

Somehow, it seems as if the General Assembly's worship service was on the thin side. The reading was good, no problem in that department. But there were only a few songs, and towards the end seemed repetitive. For a service that's twice as long as my local church, they seemed to be doing less with the time they had. A lot less.

In the Lutheran church I grew up in, they accomplished a lot more in about an hour: a rich liturgy; more songs, both from the choir and the congregation; multiple readings from the Bible-- Old Testament and New Testament, including a reading from the Psalms; the ceremony of Communion; and a sermon from the pastor. And on top of that, announcements. Actually, sometimes it seems like there's too much ceremony, that it got tedious sometimes, when I was growing up.

I understand U.U. is a new religion, only a few generations old. It doesn't have a lot of experience under its belt-- they're still figuring out what U.U. ceremonies look like. Whereas Lutheranism was born out of the attempt to reform the Catholic Church of its day.

So maybe I'm comparing walnuts to maple syrup...................

In a way, I miss the richness of the church I grew up in.

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Folks:

I am reading in horror about the Upstairs Lounge Fire in June 1973. The Upstairs Lounge was a gay bar; this fire resulted in 32 deaths; it was the 2nd worse attack on the LGBTQ community after the Pulse gay bar attack in June 2016.

What was very attrocious to me was the fact the no church would welcome a memorial service for the Upstairs Lounge Fire victims.

Several churches who refused to host a memorial were named, but no UU churches were named.

I wonder if the UU church in New Orleans was approached for hosting a memorial and if so, did the UU church refuse to do this like the others?

I have done much internet searching and could not come up with anything.

Are there members of the New Orleans UU Church here who could shed some light?

Thank you

Love

Mark Allyn

Bellingham, Washington

Our fellowship is about to have lots lay-led and younger adult led services. We ate looking to shake things up a bit and move away from the typical format where people listen to a sermon for 30 minutes. What have your churches and fellowships done that was different?

Folks:

As a gay man, I would love to meet other gay men at our UU (Bellingham, Unitarian Fellowship in Bellingham, Washington).

I have been frustrated over the years that although there is a fair number of lesbians at BUF (short for Bellingham Unitarian Fellowship) as well as lesbian couples being formed here; there are virtually no gay men.

I had a vision late one night that a way to solve this problem is to advertise our being open and affirming; putting classified ads in the male gay publications.

Be aware that I am only thinking about this and getting feedback from folks like you; I have not purchased nor placed any advertising yet.

I would like to know if any of you have tried this and what kind of results are you seeing? It it worth it?

Since this is myself doing this with my own money and not that of the fellowship, I ccould only afford classified ads.

Any thoughts?

Thank you

Love

Mark Allyn

Bellingham, Washington

Hi everyone! My partner and I are thinking of checking out a UU church for the first time. We like the idea of being part of a spiritual community that puts more of an emphasis on shared values and social responsibility than your personal beliefs. We're in Central Mass so there are a lot of congregations to choose from. We're just a bit nervous about the social expectations. We want to dip our feet and explore at our own pace, but we're worried that as newbies, we’ll be love-bombed by well-meaning folks who are trying to make us feel welcome. We're queer/GNC and I have physical disabilities, so we tend to stand out in a crowd. It's not a bad thing, but we're kind of concerned that because you all are so inclusive, we might end up being the ones you want to make *extra* welcome. 😄

We’re autistic, so it takes us a bit longer to adjust to new situations. We'll have to get used to the physical environment, learn the liturgy, and figure out the norms of this new subculture. With all that going on, the prospect of being approached and chatted up by random strangers is a bit overwhelming. Don’t get me wrong, you all seem genuinely friendlier and more inclusive than any other religious group I’ve encountered, which is awesome, but also a bit intimidating. We watched a livestream where the Passing of the Peace took five whole minutes, and this one old lady went from pew to pew hugging as many people as she could. I've never seen anything like it! It was equal parts adorable and terrifying. 😂

I think it would really help if we could get some insight into the unwritten social rules of UU communities so we can be prepared. How do people typically interact with each other before, during, and after services? Ideally, we'd like to just hang back and observe during our first few visits. Is there a way we can politely defer socializing until we feel more comfortable without coming across as rude? We're not big on physical contact, so would it be possible to opt out of hugs during the Passing of the Peace? My partner has trouble sitting still, so would it be acceptable if they brought a sketchbook to keep their hands busy? We definitely don't want to be disrespectful, but it might help them stay focused. In terms of social demands, which would be less overwhelming, a small suburban church or a mid-size urban one (generally speaking, I know every congregation is different)?

Thanks in advance for any advice!

I'm a longtime UU and in college. Because I'm a student, I don't work very much, and I make minimum wage at a work-study job. While I have enough money that I'm not at the ramen-noodle phase, I'm not able to give at church more than a few dollars a month.

My church does so much for me. They took me in when I came up to college and knew no one. They showed me love and support when I needed it, and they gave me a community.

Now, they're moving to a different location and hoping to build a new sanctuary, which I know isn't cheap. I feel bad that I don't give more, but I am nervous to give more on a financial basis.

Would offering my time as a volunteer be comparable? I know it wouldn't help with money, but hopefully I could be of some assistance. I know one of the childcare providers is leaving soon, and that's a paid position (minimum wage for an hour and a half a week) so if I take that position I might donate from that wage every week. But we'll see.

So I'm a lapsed UU (if that's even a thing) in the sense that outside of a few services at the Boulder church I haven't attended in several years. I certainly uphold the principles in my life and lately have been missing the community. The Boulder church wasn't for me for a variety of reasons but I am looking for a new community. I currently live closest to the Jefferson Unitarian Church and am not afraid to just roll in on a Sunday but I was curious about the opinions of UUs in the area as there are several options.

I am looking for a place that practices radical acceptance in all aspects and is active in social justice. I know that sounds like any UU congregation but I hope you understand what I mean. For context: I am a cisgendered male who was raised in the church from a very young age. Now in my mid-thirites I again desire a community of open and honest discourse.

Thanks for the help and if you need any clarification on what I'm looking for just ask!

Anti-LGBTQ YouTubers trolled a progressive Plano church. It was firebombed weeks later No connection has been established between the attack and the church’s appearance in the video, and Plano police are still investigating whether the bombing is a hate crime. Weeks before the Community Unitarian Universalist Church of Plano was damaged in a firebomb attack early Sunday, members of the church welcomed four strangers — one of them carrying a camera — with hugs, smiles and the promise of a judgment-free fellowship. They didn’t immediately know they were being trolled and baited by a group of influencers who frequently take videos of themselves pranking progressives and liberals. The video, titled “We acted LGBT at LGBT Church,” has garnered nearly 200,000 views since it was posted to YouTube on July 12. No connection has been established between the posting of the video and the firebombing of the church, which resulted in damage to the building’s doors, but no deaths or injuries. A spokesperson for the Plano Police Department, which is investigating the arson, said in a statement Sunday the department “cannot confirm this as a hate crime at the time.”

But in a statement on Facebook about the attack, the church alluded to its appearance in the video, which it says was filmed during and after its Sunday service on June 25. The church called the YouTubers a “hate group” and said it has been “reviewing building security and working with the Plano Police Department since the intrusion.”

While a motive behind the Plano attack has not been discerned, the Anti-Defamation League and GLAAD tracked more than 350 incidents of harassment, vandalism and assault motivated by anti-LGBTQ rhetoric in an 11-month span beginning last June. Texas saw the third-highest number of anti-LGBTQ incidents in the country.

In North Texas, gatherings frequented by members of the LGBTQ community, such as drag shows and pride events, often draw armed protesters, including members of extremist groups.

The video begins with two men, Cassady Campbell and Bo Alford, standing in the church parking lot, acting out stereotypical caricatures of gay men — both use pronounced lisps and limp their wrists — and vowing to “expose” what they described as the church’s false teachings. The pair say they are in front of a Unitarian Universalist church, but don’t specify it’s in Plano.

Inside, they are greeted by several congregants who welcome them with handshakes and hugs.

“I’m glad you guys are here,” one of the church members says with a smile. The church member briefly describes part of the Unitarian Universalist ideology — there is no heaven and no hell and what happens to one person after death happens to all people.

“The essential point is, the bad things you do are not so infinitely, eternally bad that there’s an eternal damnation for it,” the member explains. Different Unitarian Universalist members are welcome to their own interpretation of the afterlife. The YouTubers are encouraged to take a hymnal, read about the church’s teachings and enjoy food with other members.

Another church member, who described herself as a lesbian who was once married to a man, explains that she came to the congregation “sad and broken and disillusioned, and this community put me back together and gave me strength.”

“Were you turned on to your husband at all, like were you into him, or did you just kind of do it?” Campbell asks the woman. She responds the question was inappropriate.

The pair is told they’re not allowed to record a sermon but do so anyway — interrupting it with shouts of “Yas b----!” and “Slay queen!” Eventually, both men drop the act and explain they’re in the church to “plant the seed” of what they describe as they Bible’s true teachings. After the reveal, church members tell them they’re lovely and polite and thank them for visiting.

Alford has published several videos of him antagonizing people at pride events, including LGBTQ-friendly churches. In one video, a congregant forcibly removes him from a church.

Campbell frequently posts videos of himself harassing women in public places, including gyms, shopping malls and grocery stores. In one recent video, he walks behind a woman at a gym and starts exercising with a weight while breathing deeply in her ear. “Daddy’s so pumped up right now,” he says. The woman tells Campbell not to talk to her and he laughs while walking away. In another video, he hits on women shopping in a Wal-Mart and then calls them ugly after being rejected.

In a phone call Monday, Alford said he was “shocked” to learn of the bombing.

“That church, I thought we had a very good connection. I have no hostile feelings toward any of them,” he said. “They were all very open and willing to talk. Nothing but good words to say for them.”

Alford said he didn’t regret any part of the video.

Campbell did not immediately respond to an email seeking comment on Monday.

Jodie Zoeller-Bloom, the past president of the church who is currently leading the congregation while its current president is out of town, said the church would not comment aside from its statement posted to Facebook.

Sunday wasn’t the first time the church has made headlines. In 2017, somebody stole a pride flag that was flying outside the church and replaced it with an American flag, leaving a note saying there are only two genders.

A pastor encouraged the thief to “have a conversation” with members of the church.

Source: Dallas News https://www.dallasnews.com/news/2023/07/24/anti-lgbtq-youtubers-trolled-a-progressive-plano-church-it-was-firebombed-weeks-later/

I have a 3 year old daughter who has expressed interest about my parents' church, a church of Christ. I have quite a bit of emotional baggage from growing up in the church of Christ because it's very hellfire and brimstone, which just doesn't seem kind to me. There is absolutely no way I would allow my daughter to be part of such a hateful community.

Also, when I say emotional baggage, I mean I still have nightmares about being forced to go back to a church of christ. My mother stopped talking to me for a bit when I stopped going because she was sure I was condemning myself to Hell.

I'd like to show my daughter what a church is like, and the UU seems like the best fit. However, while I logically appreciate what I've read of the UU online, I'm still pretty nervous. Can I have some reassurance that UU churches aren't homophobic, racist, classist, and thinks everyone but them is going to Hell? What does a service typically look like? Is there a way I can prepare my daughter for what to expect?

In case anyone was wondering where to donate to the Plano, Texas UU church that was firebombed. There is no specific fundraiser but I dug up their overall "giving" link.

https://www.communityuuchurch.org/uua/connections/giving/

https://sbskochko.medium.com/dont-trust-the-fifth-principle-project-46c11facd8fc

https://sbskochko.medium.com/dont-trust-the-uumuac-74c0c8a47021

I was raised in a very religious, conservative, homophobic family and while I've never formally joined or even been to a UU church, I like to jokingly say to myself that I'm a non-practicing Unitarian.

When I was in college I developed a huge gay crush on a guy and it basically forced myself to accept that I was gay.

So I had this dream and I nervously go to this UU service in a beautiful old church. Everyone is really nice and wearing bright colors. It all seems very chill, both "religious" and very relaxed. I sit down and I noticed my crush from college is sitting across the aisle from me. At some point there's some prayer where everyone stands up and links their arms over each other's shoulders and I get to connect with my crush.

He smiles like he recognizes me but doesn't say anything. After the prayer we sit down and he joins me and leaves his arm around my shoulder. At first my brain goes to how wrong this is (even though I've abandoned my former religious identity 15+ years ago), but I then realize we're at a UU church and I'm able to relax and just enjoy the moment. It becomes one of those dreams you don't want to wake up from and even when you do, you're left with this incredibly happy feeling. That feeling me and my friend are able to enjoy just sitting in the pew.

He just smiles at me and I rest my head on his shoulders and then I woke up. I wish this actually meant something other than that I still have a deep seeded crush on this guy, but I still thought I would share about my first time going to an UU service.

Even though this was obviously just a dream, the affirmation and openness of the UU church reaches people in unique ways and for that I'm thankful. 🙂

hi guys!! i grew up attending a UU church in houston every sunday from ages 3-17. when i went off to college in DFW, i lost my church home.

right now i’m trying to decide between the UU Church of Oak Cliff or the Denton UU Fellowship. anyone been to either of these and have good experiences?

going to a new church as a young adult is nerve-wracking to me, i’m used to attending the sunday school and getting to know everyone that way. not sure how to get to know people through just attending services 😅

Hello everyone, I still don't know very much about unitarians, and I would like to know if it's ok for a Unitarian to read and believe in the Book of Mormon. More specific, someone who reads it and goes to UU Church because doesn't believe in the dogmas of the LDS church (considering they aren't 100% truthful to the Book). I would be very thankful if someone could answer this!

I’m a Naturalistic Christopagan that has been getting involved with my local CUUPs chapter but am searching for a local UUCF chapter to supplement the Christo part of my practice alongside the Pagan. So far, I have been able to develop my Christianity by also attending an Episcopal Anglo-Catholic church as well as a United Methodist Church & I really enjoy them both. I was wondering if there is anybody else in my position & what were your experiences like attending Christian churches while remaining actively involved with the UUA in a non-Christian capacity? Or for those who are involved with the UUCF, do you supplement your practice with other denominations & if so, which ones?

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I'm asking various Christian adjacent subreddits their reaction to an excerpt to a speech given by the non-Christian ʻAbdu'l-Bahá given in 1912 in New York City. Do you feel that he gives an accurate rendering of the mission of Christ and the apostles and the nature of His Kingdom?

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"The divine Prophets came to establish the unity of the Kingdom in human hearts. All of them proclaimed the glad tidings of the divine bestowals to the world of mankind. All brought the same message of divine love to the world. Jesus Christ gave His life upon the cross for the unity of mankind. Those who believed in Him likewise sacrificed life, honor, possessions, family, everything, that this human world might be released from the hell of discord, enmity and strife. His foundation was the oneness of humanity. Only a few were attracted to Him. They were not the kings and rulers of His time. They were not rich and important people. Some of them were catchers of fish. Most of them were ignorant men, not trained in the knowledge of this world. One of the greatest of them, Peter, could not remember the days of the week. All of them were men of the least consequence in the eyes of the world. But their hearts were pure and attracted by the fires of the Divine Spirit manifested in Christ. With this small army Christ conquered the world of the East and the West. Kings and nations rose against Him. Philosophers and the greatest men of learning assailed and blasphemed His Cause. All were defeated and overcome, their tongues silenced, their lamps extinguished, their hatred quenched; no trace of them now remains. They have become as nonexistent, while His Kingdom is triumphant and eternal."

I am an agnostic atheist, who recently attended a few UU churches. I thought because the church seemed progressive I might enjoy it. I didn't. And then it dawned on me: THIS IS A COMPLETE WASTE OF MY TIME! I think UU churches attracted boomers who would simply become Nones if they were millennials or Gen Z. I am actually a late X-er in my early 40's, but even I see no use in religion. It must be much easier for millennials and Z, to just dismiss religion altogether as something their parents or even grandparents did. As unnecessary superstition amd ritual.

Hello! I joined the UU church recently, although I had always been vaguely aware of it, in a way, I was a UU without knowing it!

I recently had a mental health crisis after using psilocybin, and ended up having an incredibly intense, scary, ego-death trip without my consent (I took a very small dose, but my doctors think that because of several chronic conditions, my body doesn't metabolize substances the same way as the average person). I had to do out-patient treatment for a month, but the nature of my crisis is not entirely psychological, so it helped, but only a little. Essentially I entered a crisis where I don't see anyting as real, and the concept of time triggers severe, all-encompassing panic. It's hard to describe, but I am chronically disoriented, things seem upside down and inside out and my own mental processes are very disorganized. Imagine trying to send a work email with a hangover, after stepping off a roller coaster. And the keyboard is set to another language, and the screen is not facing you.

Somehow, among this, I decided to join a UU church. I say I go every Sunday, but truthfully, my grasp of time and space is so scattered that it's not even easy to type this. And it's extra scary because I'm a boring, uptight professional who never dabbled in substances. What is happening to me is my dirty little secret.

In UU I find a little wedge of partial peace. I find myself not being able to feel fully present during service, but some things stick. I notice for even mere seconds at a time that I quiet the unrest and ask myself "How can I be of service?" " How can I uphold my promise to this person/animal/community" "What new promise can I make internally to be a better wife/daughter/sister?". And although I haven't chatted other members yet, even as I type this, I feel the love of this community is real. I know people are rooting for me, the way I am rooting for them, even without reading these words.

So thank you all for being a part of this, whatever it is. Thank you for your service, for your commitments, for your just being you.

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So, honestly, I’m not sure all that becoming a UU member entails... But I’ve been going to UU services — maybe 6 or 7 over the past few months — and so far I’ve really enjoyed the sense of community and how the services/sermons make me think more deeply about what’s going on in the world and in other people’s lives. I love that they share the donation baskets with organizations that are philanthropic and justice-oriented. I enjoy the singing and the stories and the little moments of meditation.

I think I want to do more and to even try making new friends with the UU crowd, but I’m worried about the whole “membership” aspect and how similar it may be to more traditional/organized religions. I don’t want to feel like I’m obligated to come each week or feel like I’m trapped in some kind of agreement to be UU… and the prospect of having a “chalice guide” (as they call it) kinda gives me cult vibes. 😅(Side note that may relevant: I was once approached by the door greeter and she kept thanking me for joining, telling me I should come back again, and touching my arm. It made feel pretty uncomfortable — I guess because it reminded me of how some Christian churches proselytize. Since then I’ve waited until the last minute before going in to avoid another situation like that. Everyone else has been great lol!)

All that being said, I totally understand if that’s, you know… kinda the point of going to church haha. Maybe you can’t be a part of the UU congregation without jumping in. At the end of the day though, I’m really looking for a way to socialize with like-minded people, to establish some routine to my life, and explore my spirituality as an Atheist. I don’t necessarily want to take unfair advantage of the community — but I’m just not yet passionate about the church or engrossed in its philosophies. I think I need to become involved on my own time and in my own terms.

Here’s my big question: Do I need to become an official member to take part in the church? For instance could I try out some of the clubs/activities first to see if it’s all a good fit? I’m thinking maybe this Sunday I will try one of the post-service groups that do meditation or group work… and I saw they have trunk or treat planned for this October which sounds like a lot of fun. (I’m a single woman, no kids, and I don’t get any trick or treaters where I live!!) Would it be okay to just show up, listen to the service, donate some money, and take things slow? Is there a point where I’ll no longer be welcome as a “guest”?

I’d really love any advice.. I sent an email to the church a few days ago basically saying all this and they only replied “come next Sunday and we’ll talk to you about the membership process.”

Hello, I am doing this because it is literally a last resort before homelessness. I am in my 30's and have taken care of a family member for the past 8 months. The family member passed and I tried to find a job really hard because I just lived off of their income, anyway, no job and the months passed and I lost my car and I got diabetic neuropathy and now I cannot work a job outside of the home because of my legs. I also have crippling anxiety and live in a rural area. I have applied to endless online jobs but to no avail. I am losing my internet and probably going to be homeless at the end of the month. I have no speakable family because they dont like that i am gay and i also have horrible credit so i cannot borrow money. I know this looks suspicious as hell, but I promise you it is not, it is just a last resort. I am hungry and going to lose everything. If anyone could help at all my cashapp is $captainmidnight515 anything that you send will help me. Also, if you cannot send money please send prayers. I missed my loved one I took care of so bad, and so much heartache, but I would still do it again, we have some good times. Please just send good thoughts and vibes, I have also tried a few churches and food banks to no avail. Sorry, and I know people have it worse than me, just feeling down. I just do not want to live anymore. Will this ever get better? I hope it does but I don’t think it will. I just miss them and all this is just more than I can take. Please just manifest, pray for me, anything, there has to be an end to this.

The first time I went to my only nearby UU congregation, I was treated to a sermon centering on the idea that As women, we are natural mothers, even if we don't have children of our own. I'm an infertile woman in my 30s, I've had a hysterectomy, I don't have or want my own children, I'm not a mother, I will not be a mother in the future. Yet throughout the sermon I was informed that all women are naturally maternal, blah blah blah. It really sounded no different than what my conservative Christian family used to tell me when I still talked to them.

I didn't want to stay for coffee hour. When I tried to leave, two long-time members kept trying to corner me into an unwanted conversation and literally stood in front of the door. Only when I asked them "Why are you blocking the door?" did they sheepishly move out of the way.

Because I'm apparently quite stupid, I went back again last Sunday. This week's sermon was about something related to racial inclusivity. The congregation is almost entirely White, which is ironic given their lip-service to "diversity", but I don't find it inherently problematic to be in a heavily-White crowd. I'm Indian American and there was a Black couple there as well, but literally everyone else was White. Oh well. The problems began during coffee hour when I was repeatedly questioned about my life experiences as an Indian American. I'm sure they thought they were "questioning their beliefs" or whatever, but in reality they were just projecting a bunch of false assumptions onto me and then making baseless accusations. I was honestly disgusted and I left after about 25 minutes.

I won't be returning again. This is the only UU congregation within an hour of my home. If this is how they treat their guests, I don't want to find out how they treat me when they feel comfortable.

https://naunitarians.org/project/left-vs-left-whats-happening-here-aint-exactly-clear/

The talk starts at 4:00. The first 45 minutes are a general discussion, contrasting identity liberalism with traditional (enlightenment) liberalism. An overview of how this is affecting UU begins at 48:50. And then a specific discussion on the UUA Article II begins at 59:10.

The motion to change Article II (which will replace the Seven Principles with Six Shared Values ), was passed provisionally at GA 2023. The final vote will take place next summer, at GA 2024.

EDIT: the title wording should have been "... and the upcoming vote to replace the Seven Principles," because the Principles will not be replaced unless this is approved by 2/3 of the delegates to GA 2024. Regardless of how you feel on this issue, this is a good time to get engaged with the delegate selection process in your congregation.

"Final approval of the Article II proposal requires a two-thirds (2/3) vote of the 2024 General Assembly to adopted [sic] the revision as the new Article II of the UUA bylaws."

https://www.uua.org/uuagovernance/committees/article-ii-study-commission

The Heritage Fondation has basically created a document called the 2025 Project which calls for America to be turned into a Christian Country in which the LGBT and non-Christians rights would no longer be recognized.

Do you feel this could be the end of us in the United States?

My fiancée and I are getting married in September next year. Neither of us are baptised, nor Church-goers but we would like to share our relationship with a higher power so have chosen to be married in a Church. My family is Anglican, so we have booked a date with our local Anglican Church.

When it comes to my own spirituality, I strongly align with the beliefs of Unitarian Universalists. I believe in a higher power, appreciate the principles of Christianity, Humanism and when travelling, have always revered the sacred spaces of all religions - from Shinto to Buddhist to Muslim, with the highest regard. I believe that wherever I pray, or connect, that higher power will hear me.

Our priest is liberal and doesn't expect us to be baptised. However, he has offered baptism is we are interested. In terms of connecting with God, something is calling me to be baptised. I feel as though it will be a symbolic gesture of my spirituality that I've never undertaken in my life before, as it has been an entirely personal journey.

Despite this, however, my beliefs are so liberal, I feel I would completely lack integrity by being baptised. My fiancée and I, for instance, have a live-in relationship and this will not change. I also believe that humans are human and much of the strict 'rules' purported by Christianity doesn't reflect the multitude of experiences, mistakes, learnings, growth etc. that encompass being human.

And yet still, I feel an urge to have that connect with god solidified in baptism - even though I will not live my life according to the rules of a strict Christian Church. I feel in such a crisis and the experience has left me with so much shame, even though usually, I feel comfortable with my choices and life. I don't feel like I can be baptised unless I follow the rules exactly as it really lacks integrity.

Ironically, I have no issue with being married in the Anglican Church. I respect that space and see it it as a space of reverence that is a pathway to that higher power, due to the faith of the people who worship there.

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I'm not sure what to do, or even perhaps what I am asking because I'm having trouble even explaining my own complicated feelings around this dilemma. Any advice from your perspective is so welcome.

Recently I was involved as a designer with a UU church. One of the members took a disliking to me and sent my personal information to the congregation, including my name, phone, email, address, and financial information. She then claimed I was unprofessional, scamming the organization, and mentally unhealthy.

The board and congregation believed her. They fired me.

The way this congregation treated me was abysmal, I've never experienced anything like it in my nearly 50 years of life. I've never had a design client treat me this bad, ever. And I've worked with well over a hundred with marketing, design and consulting.

What I want to know is ...

Does the UU condone stigmatizing mental health?

Has this happened in your congregation / fellowship? If so, how was it handled?

If not, what is the best policy for addressing this?

I've reached out the the local conference and to the main headquarters about this.

As it stands for me and how I was treated, I'm not seeing any difference between UU and any other toxic organized religion. And unless there is accountability within the organization, I'll not attend any UU ever again.

Edit : Some extra info and I wanted to add that this has been a massively demoralizing, soul-crushing experience. The way UU presents itself makes it seem very welcoming and inclusive, and my wife and I had intentions of joining as members. There is no way we want to associate with abusive people and those who enable it. Stigmatizing mental health is hate speech.

This is pretty detailed so my apologies for the length…you should see my emails. :)

Our congregation has been experimenting with a version of Whole Worship where all ages are present for the entire service. Young children (ages 1-6 or so) sit on rugs at the front of the sanctuary to the foot of the podium playing with toys, wriggling and interacting as young kids do. Throughout the room there are a handful of very young children in their parents’ arms.

There are between 5 and 10 young kids at every service. They do have one role near the end of the service when they drop stones in water before a moment of silence.

There have been concerns voiced by a substantial proportion of the congregation: the moment of silence is never silent, the kids are a constant distraction during the message, and the lack of an alternate place for children during the service does two things - it puts a burden on families who want their children to be in a kid friendlier space during the service and does not offer targeted religious education for kids.

We used to have the first portion of the service for whole worship and then the kids would go to the lower floor - which is 80% child oriented art, education and play spaces - for religious education / kid social time.

Although church leadership claims our form of whole worship is common in UU, the group who has been disenchanted with the state of affairs has been unable to find any congregation who is currently doing service this way.

Has your congregation tried whole worship in this manner?

If so - Has your church stuck with it? How have you dealt with the distractions and noises young children provide?

Church leadership has decided to offer two services - one at 10 geared towards kids, fellowship between and a second service at 11:15. With less than 100 active members it is hard to see how this works long term so maybe there is another way we haven’t considered.

Thanks for getting this far and have a great day / week / season.

We have a local UU Congregation and I have been a few times trying to decide if it's for me or not. The last time I went, a lady in charge of various committees came up to the microphone and started yelling at people and swearing saying what the hell is wrong with all of you and why don't you come to the things I set up. Sounds like she is in charge of various meet ups, maybe work parties or fund raising things, and she clearly just got fed up that not enough were attending.

What got me though is it seemed perfectly normal and nobody batted an eye to her yelling at and swearing at everyone in the room. Not a very respectful way to be heard and if I'm honest it really put me off to that Congregation and I haven't been back since.

Does this kind of thing happen often? Was it an unusual thing? 🤔

My church has just put out a document in which we read that “chalice lighters” (the children who light candle in the chalice at the beginning of each service) “are expected to state their pronouns.”

To my ears, “expected” sounds coercive. (A little like there might be a nun waiting in the wings to slap them with a ruler if they don’t state their pronouns). I would rather the document read “chalice lighters are encouraged (or strongly encouraged) to state their pronouns.”

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Hello!

Thank you for having me.

I'm an atheist in Southern UT that is going to try out the UU here in St George, UT. I'm interested in seeking a sense of community and joining social circles outside of just kids school, our neighborhood etc in a place that is welcoming to an atheist.

What should I expect? Will I be welcomed as an Atheist?

Also, I dont know how to ask this without coming across as ageist or something, but can I expect millennials like myself? I dont mind what age anyone is, but would like it if there are other families or possibly other millenials.

Has anyone here ever been on a pastoral search connitteee for a UU congregation?

If so, what was the experience like? Did you find it rewarding or frustrating? or both? How time-consuming was it? What did you have to do? I am imagining that you would have to somehow figure out what the congregation wanted in a minister, then cast a more or less wide net for a candidate, then evaluate the candidates? Right?

I‘m trying to figure out if I should volunteer/try to get myself nominated for a search committee that my congregation is putting together,

Another issue: We had been a lay-led congregation for our entire history until we stuck our toes in the water a few years ago with a part-time interim minister who is now leaving. I am not sure if this is an anomaly or not, but we never had a vote about whether or not we wanted a minister in general before hiring our first minister, partly because sentiment was split on the issue and partly because those who really wanted to hire a minister, saw a perfect opportunity (someone local that they liked and would be willing to take a part-time position) and wanted to take action before that opportunity went away, So, instead of having a vote on whether or not we wanted a minister in general, we just had a vote on whether or not we would hire that one person in particular for a short period of time as sort of a trial run.

Well, now that this contract minister is leaving, instead of having a vote about the “experiement” and whether or not we want to continue to have a minister, they just decided to go ahead with another search.

I have pointed this out and was told that we will indeed have a vote soon (at our next quarterly meeting), but it is clear that they are still going ahead with forming the search commiteee in the meantime.

So, I am feeling a bit befuddled by and apprehensive of the process so far.

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A member of our Fellowship reflected on why it is important for all children to see themselves represented in childrens literature. She's a librarian and educator who has thought about this topic for many years.

She reads a commonly-banned book at the beginning of the video (until January, when our permission to include that reading expires). Set aside 15 minutes and watch the video. Here's the link: https://youtu.be/A8IjBv3RnDo

Hello everyone! I'm not UU, I'm more of a humanist, and I've gone to probably a dozen Sunday services of the UU church near me over the past year. I've volunteered my time to help out with projects on a handful of occasions. And I've attended some luncheons. I keep hoping that the sunday service will improve once I know more people and can feel more comfortable.

I really like the few people I've gotten to know, but to be honest, I do not like going to the services on Sunday. There are references to belief in God and faith (which I don't believe), touchy feely stuff, hymns being sung, etc. It feels like a bad fit for me in that sense.

This Sunday, one of the songs was all about faith in God being the answer and I just closed my hymnal and stood there politely, even though the choir leader was trying to get everybody to participate. I'm not going to participate when I don't believe.

And the coffee hour afterward feels awkward to me because while some folks have talked with me, it feels mostly like small talk. People there gravitate toward the people they already know well and are friends with and I feel left out. Yesterday after the touchy feely service, I just left and didn't go to coffee because I just felt so mismatched with the service. (Small group situations have been much better.)

I'm curious how many folks regularly skip attendance on Sundays and just do other offered activities that have more depth and actual participation and sharing?

Or could you share things your UU does to welcome visitors in a way that makes them comfortable and feel included?

I get the sense that this community genuinely wants to be welcoming, but just misses the mark and that's why they are not getting new and/or younger people attending again after a first visit.

Anyone else reading Ruttenburg’s “On Repentence and Repair” with their congregations or on their own?

I just started a few minutes ago and can already tell I‘m going to be interested in what others think.

This question has been lingering at the back of my head for quite some time now. Almost all religions (not all), either the Abrahamic religions or Eastern religions condemn this type of behavior to some degree. What is the UU's stance on consuming alcohol and drugs like marijuana? Also, what about premarital sex? I've always been curious because I've heard UU is a progressive organization, but its also a culmination of many religions, and many religions more of less condemn this type of behavior.

A few months ago, I had a burst of energy about going to church again. I [M/31] attended UU Meetings for about five or so Sundays, and stayed after each time. I even signed up to be part of SGM (Small Group Ministry)

But after a month or so, it slowly became so taxing. I started dreading going. Getting up to get ready on Sunday felt like an absolute chore. I just felt so burnt out, and I'm not even really part of it. Part of it could be the life I lead now. I have a somewhat active social life, and work demands a lot of me as well. I genuinely thought I could just fit SGM in, but I forgot it was happening, twice. I try so hard to remember, but it keeps getting blotted out by something else. Work, friends, girlfriend. Its exhausting.

As of now, I haven't been back in the chapel for almost two months. I want to go back, but at this point, this awkward, heavy feeling gets worse every Sunday. I want this to be part of my life, but even if I can drum the enthusiasm up, would they even want me back in?

I just re-read the proposed Article II for UUA bylaws that will be voted on in the upcoming GA and I finally identified something that's been nagging at me. It emphasizes relationship with other people, but there's not much about relationship with ourselves or our inner worlds. I suppose that I persoanlly do get a lot of that from the Buddhist teachings my particular congregation brings in from time to time. Our congregation also has lay led homebrewed contemplative practices that are inspired by the six sources and beyond. However, is there much in the UU theological tradition itself that deals with our inner worlds (psychology, meditation practices, spirit/soul models, self-awareness, etc.)? It seems like there such a focus on other people in UUism generally and not much about developing ourselves. Is it just me that feels this way? I suppose the fire communion is an example, but even that practice is vague. My personal point of view is that our inner worlds greatly influence how we can show up with other people, so it's an important piece of the puzzle. I don't want dogma, clearly I'd be barking up the wrong tree with that, but what about theory on the level of "the interconnected web of which we all are a part"? The interconnected web is a profound theological concept in my opinion. Beside inherent worth & dignity (or inherent worthiness) what else do we have inside ourselves?

My wife and will be in Orlando next month. We’re staying in a hotel near the parks, but not in a Disney property. We would like to use the Lightning Lanes if possible, and understand that they are available early for Disney guests at 7 am and not until 8 am for everyone else. We can switch hotels without penalty, but wonder if the benefit of early access is worth the extra cost? Basically we're asking if passes are generally available at 8 am for decent times after the Disney guest-only period or if the only reliable way to get them is to stay in Disney hotel?

I’m a UU. As such, I’ve been exploring my relationship with God, higher powers and theism in general. I was raised Catholic and taught to believe in God in terms of Jesus and the holy Trinity. I don’t necessarily have any problem with this element of the Catholic faith or religion but I’m thinking about it.

I do find myself using phrases like “As God intended” sometimes for things I feel like are natural concepts I agree with (eg snow on Christmas Day, having a fire while camping, and so on). I say this because I think it’s a cool phrase and adds some emphasis on the idea or whatever. But I wonder how this comes off to other folks who are not theists, of which there some in UU. Any thoughts or opinions here?

UPDATE: thank you all! I’d like to mention that I’m not really a believer in the Christian concept of God, preferring a notion of the Devine.

I (19 trans male) have labelled myself an atheist since I was 14. Recently I've found myself leaning agnostic. However, I've also somewhat realized that the only thing I hated about Christianity was the bigotry and dogma. I told this to a friend and they pointed me here. I know nothing, but from what I've been told you guys are basically a progressive branch of gnostic Christianity. I've been told UU embraces science, human rights, and does away with any dogma/doctrine. No homophobia, no transphobia, no misogyny, etc. Which is something I love to hear (if what I've been told us correct).

I'd like to learn more. Most of my time is spent in class or at work, so a podcast would work better than a book. Any suggestions?

I live in Michigan and when I get my license I'd love to find a church to go to. Preferably within the Lapeer, Flint, and Pontiac triangle.

What church do you go to? And what is it like? Does it lean Christian? Does it lean Pagan? Does it lean Atheistic? Is it completely neutral?

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God rest ye Uni-tarians let nothing you dismay

We come together in this space to celebrate our way

The Christmas songs and stories may our beliefs betray.

Oh tidings of peace and harmony, harmony

Oh tidings of peace and harmony

This story talks about a babe through many wonderous songs,

Folks traveling from far away to join a reverent throng

To see a birth that gave them hope and help them to belong

Oh tidings of peace and harmony, harmony

Oh tidings of peace and harmony

We may not all agree to all the details and their worth

But lately hope’s in short supply around this planet earth

Together we can celebrate each day as a new birth.

Oh tidings of peace and harmony, harmony

Oh tidings of peace and harmony

Thanks everyone - I truly appreciate your input.

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We are probably 75% agnostic/non Christian, 15% atheist, and the rest Christian, Buddhist or Jewish. Our minister is Christian and Buddhist.

I am doing the service this Sunday 12/17 - Title is Practicing Christmas as UU and it focuses on how many of us celebrate Christmas as a cultural holiday, like thanksgiving, not a religious holiday. We'll sing Christmas songs, not hymns. I found a funny version of God Rest Ye Merry Gentleman that other UU churches have used and rounded up a group to sing it on Sunday.

However, I have gotten feedback from 3 three people that it could be offensive. My opinions are 1) why are people so serious?, 2) if non Christians 'put up with' Joy to the World and Silent Night at UU churches, why can't the very few Christians 'put this in a box' and not be offended.

What do you all think? I do plan to offer some words in the welcome of the service to make sure people understand that this service is to honor the non Christian, but not to 'bash' Christian.

Ugh. TIA

Are there any places of worship that follow more to the Unitarian side than Universalist? At least in America ?

What do you think will make our church thrive and succeed in the next 5, 10, 15 years?

I was just reading Rev Debus's Hold My Chalice. She's asked by congregation leaders to come up with a plan and, she jokes, " I’m not sure they got what they were hoping for, because I think they were looking for the practical ideas they could implement." and then goes on to list out broader minsterly ideas the group could think about.

But it got me to thinking, if you were to write out practical, implementable ideas - what would you like to see change? It can be pie-in-the-sky ideas.

A few things I'd like to see

- the UUA to be as serious about reparations as they said they were last General Assembly. Live your values. I'd personally like to see a portion of that go to divinity school scholarships to diversify our pool of ministers.
- with the congregational minster shortage, more and meatier tools for congregations that are lay-led.
- more collaboration between churches, facilitated by regional staff. Let's stuff the newsletter with ideas and inspiration from members (not just think pieces by ministers or workshops by staffers). I want to know where i can find a CUUPs program or a Death Cafe. I want to know what different churches do for music, for social enrichment, for social justice. I want to think "Oh, that church down the road is good at ____ while the one two towns over is really strong in the ___ area" instead of each UU church being its own island.

What else?

https://www.ft.com/content/ec58bccb-668b-445f-ba7c-824297eb885d

Why does each nation define their own principles and values rather than collaborating across imaginary lines on a map and having a global outlook?

Does any other religious tradition grant that level of prinacy to national organizations?