@RachelMiner1 What I'm saying is~ I am very "Billy" goat right-wing in a lot of ways. But not right wingnut...in which my liberal Unitarian Universalist ways, didn't use the satanic goat Motley Crue t-shirt at age 19, as 'intimidation' of other pool players, as just that t-shirt

@coasttocoastam All I will say George, is that this "holy war", took a dramatic turn after my generation's Persian Gulf War. The whole 'ghosts of Vietnam' was bad enough, but I've ALWAYS STAYED TRUE to my highly liberal Unitarian Universalist upbringing, as a secular American.